Saldate's Supplemental Report of His
Interrogation of Roger Scott

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This is Detective ARMANDO SALDATE'S report of his interrogation of ROGER SCOTT and - purportedly - of SCOTT'S confession. SCOTT did indeed confess - MILLS taped SCOTT'S restatement of his confession that evening - so SALDATE had no need to fabricate a confession for SCOTT. But still, this report shows a couple of interesting coherences and raises quite a few questions about the truthfulness of many facts and details told herein.

First, SALDATE lets slip a little insight into his true methods of operation. Throughout the Debra Jean Milke Case and other cases he has worked on, SALDATE claims an almost magical ability to get instant confessions. He just says he will not tolerate lies, demands the truth, and the suspect immediately confesses. But here we see that SALDATE gets SCOTT to confess by threatening to have the police go into his sick mother's home and turn it upside-down in a search, something SCOTT feared would kill her. When testifying at the Voluntariness Hearing, SALDATE squirmed and tried to deny this prior to being confronted with his own report.

Second - a technical matter of this entire report - it's interesting to perceive that this report was written more than five hours after SALDATE'S report about his interrogation of Debra Milke was typed, therefore chronologically twisted. This describes a pretty illogical technique of narrating interrogations initially held one after another. As the later composed case synopsis reveals, SALDATE was already in touch with County prosecutor NOEL LEVY on this December 6th, 1989 and it needs to be questioned whether LEVY had told or suggested to SALDATE 'how to write the reports'. That would be a shocking suspicion, but indeed, it's exactly what appears to have happened.

Also, we see, by SALDATE'S own account, that SCOTT'S first story was that STYERS had killed CHRIS because he couldn't stand him. He goes into detail about how STYERS finally worked up the nerve to kill CHRIS, and he never even mentioned the boy's mother, Debra Milke. Only later, as they were driving out to find CHRIS'S body, did SCOTT claim Debra was involved. The fact that SCOTT'S implication of Debra was an afterthought - and not his original story - is something that SALDATE hid when testifying in front of the Grand Jury. And, when MILLS asked SCOTT about Debra's alleged role during the taped interrogation, SCOTT became hopelessly confused and incoherent.

The rundown of the following report shows even more. It depicts how SALDATE - not convinced by ROGER SCOTT'S implication of JIM STYERS and still at the police main station - did not order the arrest of the alleged main perpetrator STYERS, but instead had suspect SCOTT lead him and DET. MILLS to the dead body of CHRISTOPHER. Only when ROGER extended his incrimination and put additional blame on Debra - a young, inexperienced mother, hit with the terrible tragedy of the loss of her only child - the cop stopped at the Cactus Park Briefing Station, talked to his superior and had both JIM STYERS and Debra Milke arrested.

Clip #1: Roger Scott's Incrimination (24:43)

DR #
DECEMBER 6, 1989 1:57 PM
W/M, 6-4-48   6', 140#, bro, haz
4816 W. Bethany Home #120, no phone
BOOKED #1390377

Roger Scott

On 12-3-89 at approximately 1258 hrs, I contacted ROGER SCOTT inside an interview room at 620 W. Washington. The purpose of my contact was to interview him in regards to this death investigation. The following is a paraphrased account of his interview.

On 12-3-89 at approximately 1250 hrs, I entered an interview room with DET. BOB MILLS for the purpose of interviewing ROGER SCOTT. DET. MILLS sat next to ROGER and was continuing his interview until approximately 1258 hrs. At that time I assumed the interview and identified myself to ROGER. I then told ROGER that I felt he was involved in the victim's disappearance and for that reason I was going to read him his rights. I then removed the Miranda rights card from my badge case and read the Miranda rights verbatim to him. ROGER responded yes to understanding his rights and I began my interview.

I first explained to ROGER that he had been telling detectives all this time about a subject named PHIL and I did not believe that this subject existed. I told ROGER that I was just getting involved in the interview because I had been talking to his friend JIM.

Comment: The interesting juncture here is that not one single police record exists to corroborate this statement. If SALDATE had truly spoken to STYERS that conversation was not narrated or reproduced in any official document or report.
I then explained to ROGER that I was not going to look for someone that did not exist and that I know it was difficult on him, that he was going to have to tell me the truth. ROGER then began moving his head in an up and down motion indicating that he would.
Comment: Another instant confession - all SALDATE has to do is ask for the truth and the suspect confesses. But later SALDATE will reveal some more about his methods.

ROGER then told me that I was right and that PHIL did not exist. He said the only reason he made up PHIL was because he did not want to get involved after JIM told him that CHRIS was missing. I then asked ROGER if he had accompanied CHRIS and JIM to the mall and he told me that he had. He said that JIM parked the car outside Sears and that the three of them walked into the store. He said he stopped momentarily at the tools and before he knew it, JIM and CHRIS had walked away. ROGER then looked up and could see his friend JIM walking ahead of him but since there was a large crowd he could not get to JIM before he lost them. He looked for JIM inside Sears for some time and then decided to go into the mall area. He said he did not see JIM again until a little bit after 3:00 PM when JIM told him that CHRIS was missing. At that time he told JIM that he did not want to be involved because he had to get home to take care of his mother. ROGER then told me that he understood because he lied about PHIL that I probably would not believe anything he had to say. ROGER did say that a PHIL does exist, however, he is an elderly man who lives near his home and has colon cancer.

I then told ROGER that I knew that CHRIS was dead and that sooner or later he would have to tell me the truth. I told him that I strongly believed that he was involved in CHRIS' disappearance but ROGER continued to deny it. ROGER said that the only reason I thought he was involved was because he lied about PHIL. We continued to talk and I told ROGER that sooner or later, he would have to tell me what occurred. I told him that I thought he was not a cold blooded killer and that I was sure that his conscience would not let him continue to lie. ROGER, however, continued to deny knowing anything about CHRIS' appearance and continued to say that he, JIM and CHRIS arrived at Sears together until he lost track of JIM and CHRIS. At approximately 1338 hrs, I told ROGER that I was going to leave him alone in the room for several minutes and that I would be back to continue our conversation.

At approximately 1352 hrs, I returned to the interview room by myself and continued the interview. ROGER and I spoke about his past and his current responsibilities with his mother. He also told me that he had other responsibilities with neighbors that he also took care of. We spoke about his state of unemployment, several personal areas, about his life. I continued to tell him that it was important for him to tell me the truth. ROGER kept denying that he had any involvement in the disappearance of CHRIS and kept telling me that the only reason I believed he was involved was because he had lied initially about PHIL. I then pointed out to ROGER hat JIM had told security persons initially that he and CHRIS were by themselves and that did not correspond with his story about telling JIM that he did not want to get involved until 3:00 PM. ROGER said he could not explain that, only to say that JIM was probably trying to protect him on his own. I told ROGER that we all knew that CHRIS was already dead and that finding his body was not as important as him telling me the truth. ROGER continued to deny any involvement in CHRIS' disappearance.

At approximately 1505 hrs, I told ROGER that I would again leave him alone with his conscience, but that I would return in a few minutes to continue our conversation. I told him that when I returned we were only going to talk about the truth about what actually happened and that I was not going to listen to any more of his denials which I knew were lies. ROGER then moved his head in an up and down motion indicating that he understood. I then left the room.

At approximately 1535 hrs, I again contacted ROGER and ROGER asked for cigarettes and a pop. I told him that I would get that for him in a few minutes but that it was necessary for him to tell me the entire truth and that I was not going to tolerate him telling me any more lies. I also told ROGER that it was my belief that he knew where CHRIS' body was and the least he could do was to tell us so we could recover it. ROGER then began moving his head from side to side, indicating no, but would not respond out loud. I told ROGER that we were going to send officers to his home to speak with his mother and he immediately responded that it would kill her. I told him it was going to be necessary since he continued to lie about his involvement and we needed to verify certain things.

Comment: SALDATE lets a truer version of his methods slip into his report : saying they would go ahead with a search that would kill his mother if SCOTT didn't confess. At the Voluntariness Hearing, SALDATE wanting to deny using this tactic until defense attorney RAY confronted him with this report :
( ... )
Ken Ray : In this investigation you know that Roger Scott had a rather sickly and elderly mother ?
Saldate : No.
Ken Ray : You weren't aware of that ?
Saldate : I don't believe so.
Ken Ray : You weren't ? In this interview that you had with Roger Scott you didn't suggest to him you were going to send an officer over to his mother's house ?
Saldate : I believe during the interview he did tell me that he had a sickly mother, but -
( ... )
Ken Ray : Didn't Roger Scott tell you it would kill his mother if you sent officers over there ?
Saldate : He may have.
Ken Ray : Didn't you respond that it was going to be necessary to do that ?
Saldate : I may have.
( ... )
ROGER again asked for a pack of cigarettes and a Mountain Dew which was obtained for him. I continued to tell ROGER that I was there to get the truth and ROGER initially told me that he would tell me everything I wanted to know. I asked ROGER if he knew where the body of CHRIS was at and he said he did. I asked him if CHRIS was dead and ROGER responded "JIM killed him."
Comment: This is the first time the fact of CHRISTOPHER'S death is corroborated, and SALDATE explicitly asked for that to establish it. It will not be for at least one hour later that SCOTT says anything implicating Debra. His first story presents CHRIS' murder as STYERS' idea alone.
ROGER then told me that he didn't think JIM was going to do it and that he had talked him out of it several times. ROGER then said that CHRIS' body was in a wash in the area of 99 Avenue and Jomax Road.

ROGER then told me that JIM had never liked the kid and he said that he didn't think that JIM would go through with it.

Comment: Here SCOTT claimed - according to this report - that JIM STYERS never like CHRISTOPHER. That's the first motive given of why the crime was allegedly committed. We will later see how that purported motive is altered as soon as the issue of Debra Milke comes up, and in fact records as a part of the legal file indicate that not JIM, but ROGER SCOTT himself didn't like both CHRISTOPHER and Debra Milke [because she also denied him $250 he had asked for].
He said that he and JIM had gone out on several occasions with the intentions of killing the kid but that he would always talk JIM out of it because he would usually come up with the excuse that there were too many people around. ROGER then told me that CHRIS had never made it to the Metro Center but that he and JIM after killing CHRIS did go to Metro Center to create an alibi. ROGER said that they had spoken about this story several times but that he had told JIM that he did not want anything to do with building a story but would go along with JIM'S story because he felt JIM knew more about that kind of stuff.
Comment: SCOTT attempted to weaken his true role in the murder, claiming he and STYERS had repeatedly talked about it and that he even tried to convince JIM not to kill the boy. At this point the 21-year veteran on the force should've considered that this story told here was again a fairy-tale of SCOTT. SALDATE chose otherwise ...or didn't he much rather have a part in inventing this story himself?

ROGER said that he had been telling the truth about going to the different locations and taking CHRIS for pizza. He said after the pizza that he and JIM drove to a location which they had been at before and had pre-selected as the location where they were going to kill CHRIS.

Comment: SCOTT did not mention that Debra Milke had been with them, had been to the actual location of the murder-scene or anything like this. The report only says, referring to SCOTT, that "... he and JIM drove to a location which they had been at before ...". SALDATE will add fabricated details about Debra's visit to the murder scene in his Grand Jury testimony.
Police reports of other officers also clearly prove ROGER'S claims to be untrue, because he had been seen by three witnesses [told in three independent reports by three different officers] in the time span between 1.00 and 2.00 p.m., depicting a coherent route in close proximity to SCOTT'S apartment. Also, later at trial, it unraveled that no proof existed to assume that CHRISTOPHER had indeed been at the pizza parlor. Just the opposite: three witnesses heard five to seven [not three] shots fired in the area where the little boy was killed. According to those statements the murder happened at approximately 11.00 a.m. It was also stated that those were the only shots fired on that weekend and in that remote area north of Phoenix.
He then described the location as 99 Avenue and Jomax Road in a wash that JIM picked out. ROGER said that he would direct us to that location and would show us where the wash was. I then asked ROGER how JIM killed CHRIS and he said that he had shot him.

ROGER then explained that JIM had a .22 caliber revolver, 6 shot, which he took out with him. He said he parked his car along the roadway on 99 Avenue and that JIM and CHRIS got out of the car and walked back into the wash. He said JIM had previously told him that he was going to leave him near the road because he wanted him found right away. ROGER said that he then drove away, then made a U-turn and came back and that JIM was supposed to be waiting by the roadside. ROGER said that he did not hear any shots and did not see JIM. He continued past the wash, waited just north of the wash, but again did not see JIM. He said all the windows of the car were down but still he could not hear any shots. He then made a U-turn, headed southbound and pulled along the roadway at the opening of the wash. He said he then began to hit his horn very lightly because he did not want to attract attention. ROGER said he still did not hear any shots nor did he see JIM. He then drove further south, got out of the car and began to walk towards the wash, still not hearing or seeing anything. ROGER said he changed his mind and walked back to the car and again made another U-turn, headed northbound and again began to use his horn very lightly. He still did not see anything. He then parked his vehicle again northbound across the road and headed into the northern section of the wash and then he heard three shots. He said a short time later, he saw JIM walking out of the wash on the south side towards the roadway. He said he then walked back to the car, made a U-turn and headed southbound and saw JIM with his thumb out as if he was hitchhiking. He then picked up JIM and JIM immediately told him that he had shot CHRIS three times in the head.

ROGER then became concerned and said he knew that he was in serious trouble but he was not going to be held responsible for killing CHRIS because he did not do that. I asked ROGER if he knew where the gun was at and ROGER paused and then said that JIM gave him the gun to get rid of it but that he had not. He said that JIM gave him the gun initially and told him to get rid of it but that JIM also told him that he could keep it if he wanted it. ROGER said he kept the gun and that it is in his closet at his home.

ROGER then began telling me that he applied for Social Security but had been refused. He then mentioned that he had gone to an attorney who he thought was free but later tried to charge him $250.00 before he would file a case. ROGER said he only went with JIM because he needed the $250.00 to file the Social Security case. ROGER then mentioned that CHRIS was supposed to have a $5000 life insurance policy and that JIM told him that he would give him $250.00 if he was to help him. I then asked ROGER if he would show us where the body was at and he agreed.

DET. MILLS and myself then took ROGER from the main Station and headed towards the area of 99 Avenue and Jomax Road where he said the body was at. Just after leaving the main station, ROGER said if he could tell us some more while he was in the car or would we rather wait until we returned and I suggested that he go ahead and tell us. ROGER then said that we probably felt that he and JIM were the only bad ones in this situation but that he was going to tell us something about the baby's mother, ROGER went on and said that the baby's mother knew all about the killing and in fact the only reason that CHRIS was killed was because the mother wanted it done.

Comment: Let's check out the time frame at this point. SALDATE claimed in this report that he had approached SCOTT at approximately 3.35 p.m. that afternoon. SCOTT next confessed and told him that CHRISTOPHER was dead. He told the cop where the body was, that JIM STYERS never liked CHRIS and how he, SCOTT, tried to talk JIM out of his plan. Next SCOTT told about several occasions to check out possible crime scenes and painted in how the actual murder has taken place. Next DETECTIVE SALDATE, DET. MILLS and SCOTT went to a car and started en route to the murder-scene. It's probably fair to assume that all of this took approximately 30 minutes or more, until SCOTT incriminated Debra Milke with the alleged involvement in the killing. In fact, as could be ascertained in the meantime, circumstantial evidence shows that SCOTT'S statement pertaining to the boy's mother was only made at least sixty to ninety minutes after his first confession to his role. One police report of DET. SCOTT states that it was already 4.30 p.m. when he followed the car driven by DET. MILLS, and another report of DET. A.S. MAC IVER even states that it was approximately 5.00 p.m. when "Detective Ewing #3357 and I followed Detective SALDATE and Detective MILLS, along with ROGER SCOTT, to the area of 99th Ave. and Happy Valley Road, to help find CHRISTOPHER MILKE'S body, and to secure the scene." We will see in later reports of SALDATE and with the actions of prosecutor NOEL LEVY how this temporal gap is repeatedly covered and hidden. Already in his 'Case synopsis', compound nearly ten hours after this report was written, SALDATE solely disclosed the information that "During ROGER's interview he also admitted conspiring with not only JIM but the victim's mother DEBRA MILKE to kill her son." None of the jury members ever heard at Debra Milke's trial how much later SCOTT'S incrimination of the young mother came about after he had put the initial blame on JIM STYERS.
He then said that at first JIM came up to him several weeks ago and told him about this plan to kill CHRIS. He said that JIM told him that DEBBIE (CHRIS' mother) had talked to him about doing it but that JIM was afraid of doing it by himself. He said that JIM told him about it and asked him if he would go with him and he agreed. At first DEBBIE was not to know that ROGER knew anything about it or that ROGER was going to accompany JIM when he did it. Later, however, he did meet with DEBBIE on several occasions along with JIM when they talked about what they were going to do.
Comment: ROGER SCOTT claimed that Debra allegedly wanted CHRIS killed [which would conflict with the initial motive told], but that it was JIM STYERS who brought SCOTT into the picture, and ROGER eventually agreed. As we learn from the time table of police investigations Debra Milke was confronted with ROGER SCOTT'S name on the 12/03/1989 at 11.57 a.m. [by DET. JONES] and still in JIM'S apartment, but interestingly she made no attempt to escape. Debra Milke never attempted a escape, not even when she was finally asked to come down to the Pinal County Sheriff's Office [where she was waiting to hear news about CHRISTOPHER'S disappearance from 6.35 p.m. later that day] and was finally arrested by DET. SALDATE [approximately 8.30 p.m.].

ROGER said that JIM had told him that DEBBIE was pressuring him into doing it quick and that JIM at one time got upset and told DEBBIE why didn't she do it but that DEBBIE refused. ROGER said that JIM told him that DEBBIE did go out with him at one time and that they were going to kill CHRIS, however, there were too many people and they decided to go back home.

At this time, JIM (note : has to be ROGER) suggested we take the freeway to Union Hills Drive and then head west to 99 Avenue. We then noticed that we needed gas and decided to stop at Cactus Park Briefing Station to get gas. At this time I called SGT. ONTIVEROS and informed him about the mother's involvement and he told me that she was now in Florence.

Comment: Here SALDATE admits to another 'oddity' in clearing up this entire case. Again : when SCOTT initially incriminated JIM STYERS during the interrogation at the police main station, the case leading agent took no action or ordered the arrest of STYERS. Only when the implication of Debra Milke came into the picture SALDATE called his superior. According to this report this must have happened sometime between 4.30 and 4.45 p.m. in the afternoon hours of December 3rd, 1989. As the comparison with other police reports show two cars next left the police main station between 4.45 and 4.50 p.m.; one in direction to JIM STYERS' apartment in the north of Phoenix [resulting in STYERS' arrest], another one in direction to Florence, where Debra had been staying with her family.
Looking at other cases where SALDATE'S demeanor was reprimanded it becomes obvious how the cop had a pattern of taking advantage of injured, mesmerized, unconscious or intimidated, inexperienced individuals. This tactic shows that SALDATE ruthlessly accepted the unjust arrest and - later - arraignment of Debra.
We then continued to drive towards the drop site.

ROGER continued to talk and we finally got in the area of 99 Avenue and Union Hills. We then drove north on 99 Avenue and past a dip in the roadway and a wash and he immediately told us that we had passed it. We then made a U-turn and returned to the wash and he pointed out that CHRIS should be an the west side of the roadway in the wash not too far beyond the roadway. ROGER said JIM wanted to leave him not too far from the roadway so he would be found in just a couple of days and they could collect the insurance money as soon as possible.

Comment: This is another interesting detail afar from what can be accepted as the 'the truth'. Here SALDATE narrated the claim of ROGER that CHRISTOPHER was to be found within only a couple of days [due to the allegation that the dead body lay close to the road]. Yet, as we look at other parts of the police report one statement of DET. HOUSE reads "A cluster of tree branches covered the wash bed at 98 feet west. This made visibility westward in the wash difficult." West, where CHRISTOPHER MILKE lay dead with three bullets in the head. SALDATE'S report largely conflicts with facts substantiated by other police detectives. This coherence shows that the deceased CHRISTOPHER MILKE certainly wouldn't have been found within weeks, therefore the entire 'insurance policy' issue proves to be unbelievable and nothing but a convenient fabrication [in order to come up with a purported 'motive'.]
We were then joined by other detectives who stood by ROGER and DET. MILLS and myself along with two other detectives who followed then walked down the wash westbound carefully looking for footprints and mainly staying on the rocky surfaces. We then observed CHRIS' body lying in the center of the wash. CHRIS was obviously dead and the area was then secured by other officers in the area and DET. MILLS and myself then again left with ROGER back to the main station.

Murder scene
The murder scene

During the trip to the drop site, ROGER had mentioned that JIM had taken off a pair of shoes that he supposedly used when he walked CHRIS into the wash and that he had given him the shoes to get rid of when they arrived at Sears before making the missing person report. ROGER then told us that he had left the shoes in a planter near where they parked the vehicle. We then returned ROGER to the area and found a pair of blue Nike tennis shoes exactly where ROGER pointed out. The shoes were retained and identified by ROGER as being the same shoes he had placed there.

Comment: True, JIM STYERS himself told police and the media representatives several different fabrications. Obviously the reason was solely to cover the fact that he had been to the remote desert area together with ROGER SCOTT for the purpose of trying the newly bought gun. JIM had previously promised Debra and her former husband MARK MILKE that he wouldn't shoot a gun when CHRSITOPHER was around [Debra only knew of the possession of one gun]. But in order to cover exactly that disobedience he had to create an excuse quickly. Why else would STYERS have an additional pair of shoes with him ? Why else would there be binoculars inside the car when the crime happened ? In trying to talk his way out, STYERS raised far more suspicions and up to today many have difficulties to believe that he is innocent of conspiring with ROGER. Yet, no indication exists to assume that STYERS indeed had a motive to have CHRISTOPHER killed.

ROGER also told us that after the shooting, when they were headed to the Metro Center, that JIM removed the 6 bullets from the gun he had used to kill CHRIS and threw them in the desert area on the south side of Union Hills. JIM later gave him the gun and 6 new bullets which he was either to keep or destroy.
Comment: This claim of SALDATE flies in the face of a halfway comprehensible scenario. Firstly, it doesn't make very much sense to hire a purported co-conspirator in order to shoot a little, 4-year old boy [if that was really the intention]. Secondly, if that claim was really true, why would the actual perpetrator hand the main piece of evidence to somebody else and not dispose of it himself ? The entire claim doesn't wash but was certainly helpful for the prosecution to orchestrate two additional cases against JIM STYERS and Debra Milke which initially didn't exist at all.

A taped interview of ROGER was completed after we returned to the main station. This taped interview was attended by DET. MILLS while I was enroute to Florence to interview the mother. The taped interview has been transcribed and is attached.

After the interview, ROGER was taken to the main jail and booked for First Degree Murder.

Investigation Continuing.

For accuracy, you can view the original report in a scanned version here: Page 1, Page 2, Page 3, Page 4, Page 5, Page 6.

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